Two Marys 6-7-13

TWO MARYS 6-7-13

Greetings beloveds. Greetings beloved channel. Greetings beloved Joel

We are going to proceed a little slowly as this channel discovers how much more of herself she can open to our entwined frequencies when she is in a bit of an integrative state. Therefore, our words will come a little more slowly at the beginning as her system calibrates and resets itself. Of course, that is in part thanks to the power of the gamma brain and the breath as you know in your modern times as the Sacred G Breath. This channel has definitely recalibrated herself and we are able to proceed a little more smoothly as accustomed.

And so beloveds it is with great joy that we meet with you again and speak to you about the expansion that you are in and what is most obvious about the conversation you are having with each other which is so supportive, so mutually affirming and so very much advocating and allying for each other’s ascension. And that is what a great partnership is all about when it comes to spiritual partnerships. So, indeed, we wish to acknowledge the strength and grace of that, which is very much an important part of each of your lives.

What are the fruits that are born from this partnership that show up in each of your lives that show up very frequently? So you have re-embraced the power of the Ascension Handbook. You have both, indeed, decided to measure out into the world with your gifts and talents in real ways that make sense in your actual lives. And this, of course, is the most important thing.

Beloved Joel, as you spoke of very early in your discussion with this channel, you face the great unknown. And it has been said before by wise humans that there is a point in one’s spiritual growth where you have to step out of the boat of good work into the faith. And so, yes, while you take your good works out, you are actually stepping out of the boat of good works trusting and having faith that because it is your passion, because it is your true self-expression, that all that you need, all that you require, will be granted to you. Much as when we were on our physical mission as humans, we had to constantly remind ourselves, ah yes, everything that we require shall be granted to us. And to chide ourselves, in a loving way, of course, for the folly of our questions, the folly of our doubts.

Indeed, it took teaming up with the others very frequently to keep ourselves on track with our thought processes and to keep calibrating our brains for higher and higher intelligence. And, of course, that is the greatest glory of the times you’re in, beloveds. And that is why you are both so passionate about your work because your work, indeed, accesses higher intelligence and helps grant higher intelligence to the participants of your work. Does that resonate?

J: It does. You’re giving such an important reminder to us that we don’t need to know everything. Just step out and what we need will come together as we take the steps.

M: Indeed, and you can only prove the veracity of that by doing it.

J: Yes. It feels so good to hear you reference, as you always do, your own experience because there are many entities—wonderful entities, the Archangelic realms, of course—who don’t have any experience as humans. Sometimes they make it sound like, “What’s the matter with you? Just do it.” (Laughing).

M: Indeed. And of course that is why this particular frequency is about human ascension. It is not about ascending from the sixth dimension to the tenth. It is indeed about the human ascension process. That, of course, is a vast territory. And yet what is so interesting is because of the global network of your fabulous Internet, it is starting to become clearer and clearer to both of you that what’s really happening is humanity is on the cutting edge of actual intelligence. Not intellectual prowess, but actual intelligence. Just to be clear, for all concerned who hear or see these words, we define intelligence, from the human perspective, as that which flows through the human from spirit. We define intellectual prowess as the ability to have great mental faculties.

But the Two Marys are not interested in great mental faculties. We are interested in supporting just enough mental faculties so the student can discern when they are off track. And we are truly advocating increasing intelligence allowing more of self to be governed through the flow of the high heart, high mind connection, or, in truly simple terms, your spirit.

J: As I read so many spiritual messages from so many different sources, the word Ascension pops up in most of them. Now that I’m back in NYC, the Robert Baker experience got me off in a different direction in some ways. I’m very much in a place of assessment for me. As I see so many references to Ascension, I realize there are so many people who need to be reached out to and helped to come together to address the issue of Ascension for themselves. This work, the Ascension Handbook, can really help people do that. I think that is the consciousness I need to stay with.

M: Indeed, for wherever two or more are gathered, is it not? It is crucial, it is critical, it is paramount that you enable yourself of these gatherings of like-minded, like-hearted people so that you can foster each other’s growth. You can sponsor each other’s courage. You can bring in more energy for each other and give that forward movement great momentum.

J: Omar asked me to write a little piece that we could put out on the Internet to let people know that we’re going to be putting a group together. I’ve been getting my thoughts together about writing something short and appealing that people could resonate with. Many of the key phrases I might use are in your introduction.

M: Indeed and that is a great starting place, beloved. The introduction is a frequency download and every complete thought in that introduction is a full graphic series of  feelings and enwholements. You literally can take any excerpt from that introduction, and those who are sensitive to the Ascension Process will resonate. It will speak to them.

It will call them. They will feel the rightness. They will feel alignment with what they are reading. It will feel true.

J: I took a couple of paragraphs from your introduction and put it on the back cover of the book. As you’re talking to me I just remembered it was there. It is a wonderful invitation to people to come together.

M: Indeed. It is humorous for us to report to you that when you asked the question, this channel’s vision in her inner eye was on the back of The Ascension Handbook.

J: Well, we shouldn’t be surprised, should we? I have really been enjoying reading the various books I brought back with me from Yogaville containing the teachings of Satchidananda. Of course there are so many references to breathing. But never any references to anything like the Sacred G breath. Is that something that is more recent? It seems to be a short, efficient mode of breathing that is not referenced in any of the older literature.

M: It actually existed in Lemuria, and then it was lost to civilization. The fabulous channel, Cory Herter, of course, is the one who brought it through the other dimensions as he was out of his body, as you call it in your modern times. He was taught literally by Gods and Godesses of various dimensions.

The value of the Sacred G breath is already in the global conversation, although it is not a loud conversation. There is a coherent global conversation about the power of the DMT response. Various groups recognize DMT as a way of furthering their ability to travel deeper into layers of themselves for the purpose of their enlightenment.

Never since Lemuria, however, has there been a technique that did not require a substance to ingest or to drink as is done in the Amazonian traditions of shamanism. In the Amazonian traditions and the various South American civilizations that rose to great heights, there was a memory of the DMT super consciousness state and, of course, they used these substances because they had lost their connection to source.

J: As you heard me discuss with Jessie, Robert passed a day after our discussion just as you suggested he might. Mentioned the memorial service for Robert and Phillip’s channeled message from Robert and the Christ Consciousness.

M: Our beloved Robert has increased his wingspan literally with what he can now contribute and serve in honor of the almighty one source. Although resting at times, he is already getting the itch to work.

J: That is good to hear. I intend to bring out a new edition of the Second Coming adding material from my last two interviews with Gabriel. I have a sense that my work with Gabriel is complete although in the channeled message it was suggested I ask Ron Baker if there is any additional information he would like me to include in the new material.

I don’t particularly feel the need to do that. I was wondering if you had any perspectives about that.

M: It is a brilliant suggestion; however, that individual is not really going to appreciate that request.

J: Well, that doesn’t surprise me.

M: Indeed, and there is very great strain on that individual at this time. It is most likely not in your best interest to toss even a slight pebble into that pond.

J: That would be totally consistent with how I see things as well. Thank you for that perspective.

M: Indeed, it is our greatest honor to support and empower you as you move along.

J: Jeff and Phillip are going to be doing a We Consciousness workshop, which I certainly support but I don’t feel any resonance with doing anything but supporting them. I didn’t resonate with the way they approached the 12 Life Lessons Workshop. I think their approach in the new workshop is going to retain many of the same problems. I have my reservations about how well it’s going to work. Part of me feels a little bit guilty about not being an enthusiastic contributor, but that’s where I am right now.

M: Indeed, let us invite you to ponder guilt for a moment. This channel read once in a fabulous piece of literature that the guilt is the hidden belief that it is a punishing universe and you are hurrying up because you did something wrong, and when you are hurrying up, you are punishing yourself, before God can punish you.

J: I get that but I think part of it also is that Phillip expects and wants my support and I want to support him where I can but I am learning to hold myself from things that I don’t resonate with.

M: Indeed, and here is the tragic misfortune that continues to befall brother Phillip and Jeff which is they mistake the topic of their workshop with their ability to deliver that to their students. They mistake themselves as brilliant facilitators. Their message is spot on. Their ability to facilitate and actually sustain We consciousness based relationships over time is stunningly low.

So there is a challenge when there is this much discrepancy with the actual promise of the workshop so to speak and who is giving it and what is their accomplishment in that arena actually is. They are going to mistakenly conclude that you aren’t for We Consciousness when nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly that is not true but prepare yourself. You are doing the right thing for yourself. It is not in your best interest, in your best timing, and in your overall picture to be a student in that workshop.

J: I’m going to show up just to show up, but I don’t see myself participating very much. I did ask Phillip yesterday, “what are you specifically going to do?” I got a very nebulous answer, which kind of reinforced my impression that they really don’t know what they’re doing.

M: Indeed and so their ability to create an exciting, full, moving group is handicapped. It is great material. It is not the right delivery system.

J: I don’t think that material lends itself to presenting it on the Internet. There are some things that should be read, some things that can be organized so it can effectively be taught. I don’t think this material lends itself to this kind of Internet format.

M: Indeed, and we will affirm to you it is not the best delivery system. That is not the right style of workshop for the potency of We Consciousness.

J: What would be a more effective format for this material?

M: It would be more like how we coached you and this channel with the Ascension Workshop. It would require some intimacy with the students. It would require vulnerable sharing. It would require integrating as we go, which is not being done in that delivery system. It would require people really investigating their terror of being connected. Let us be perfectly clear. If humans weren’t terrified about being truly connected, then they would all be truly connected.

J: I guess so. (Laughing).

M: So it is one of those situations, beloveds, where the workshop is being given over the top of a giant black hole, like a sink hole, in each of the student’s beings and it is truly the elephant in the room, but we are not going to discuss it. Lets just go ahead and create We Consciousness over that.

J: So what I here you saying is that it really involves a lot of personal process which this kind of format and technology doesn’t permit.

M: Indeed, it is not an educational process going into the We Consciousness. That is not it. It is a simple definition, a set of terms, and once the individual signs up for the notion of We Consciousness it is all about being in process and using your everyday life, your workplace, your life, your husband, your lover, that letter you got in the mail from your tax collector, everything as grist for the mill for We Consciousness.

J: It doesn’t sound as though the Internet would be an effective vehicle for dealing with that kind of work.

M: It will be, but it will require people grouping themselves. There are new possibilities available where literally you can have conference calls with people all seeing each other on the street where they can process.

They can go off by twos and come back in 20 minutes. It certainly is about to start happening. So it’s not impossible at all. That is where it is all going as long as you have electricity and the ability to go online you are going to see more and more real time processes on the Internet, real time webinars, real time classes in addition because those facilitators will be downloading into their students, into their audience, the frequencies, the levels, it can be stored. It can be repeated. It can be watched later. So it is about to happen. It is a very exciting time for humanity because of that.

As we spoke to you, when that one hundredth monkey hits, when enough people literally have an expansion in their consciousness and wake up more, then everything moves quickly. In fact, potentially in an instant.

J: Of course, our work is all about contributing to that waking up process. I’m exploring with Doug and Mary Liz and Omar the idea of putting together a book discussion group on the Handbook. That’s all I’m seeing right now. I don’t see being able to go beyond having the people in one room right now. What perspective do you have on that?

M: We invite you to consider that when you return to SFL you will have all the facilities and all the requirements to create that outcome with this channel. So use this next discussion group to hone yourself and hone your skills and mostly receive, mostly receive the love, the frequencies, for as you well witnessed in the last discussion group, there is magic when these fabulous, earnest students come together with this material. There is something very special going on. So enjoy it. Use it and make notes from it and then just relax, for it will be done when you return to your SFL location.

J: When you say it will be done, help me understand what you mean by that.

M: You will have the ability with this channel to host a discussion group that you can then record and create as a series of events on the Internet.

J: That’s where it really has to go. We have to be able to reach out in a way that doesn’t exhaust us and take advantage of the benefits of technology to reach a wider audience.

M: Indeed, so that is going to be juicy for the students when they can go to their computer, sit down and actually attend a discussion group evening and do the breathing and be witness with the reading and perhaps read out loud themselves—which you would encourage them to do at the beginning of your broadcast. And then listen to the sharing and take notes of their insights with paper and pen. That is the way to proceed. So then you have a nine or ten part series. You could even make it eleven parts where you simply do a series for you and this channel. Simply bring in the Two Marys and talk about the series.

J: I think that makes perfect sense because the integration part is such a key part and that can best come after where we talk about the incorporation of all these teachings into our lives.

M: Indeed, and of course that is going to happen because that so deeply resonates with where humanity is moving. In other words, life is asking for this. Life is asking for these types of events. Moreover, life is asking for this event.

J: What you’re helping me do as we’re talking is to give me a sense of direction for where I go from here. I have moved from FTL into the NYC area and I’ve been a bit unsettled about what my next steps should be. I mention that I resonate with working with Life Mastery and The Ascension Handbook, not so much the other material coming through Jeff and Phillip as far as my personal involvement is concerned. That is what brings me joy and stimulates me.

M: Indeed, and that is identical for this channel, and there are reasons for this. You both have had enormous amounts of hours in adulthood facilitating people’s change, literally running yourselves, running all of your mental programs, all of your contributions facilitating people’s change, facilitating growth, healing and transformation. Therefore, it is only going to truly light you up and light your fire, as you say, when you’re engaged in such bodies of work.

There is a beautiful, beautiful awakening available for people in your Gabriel book. That is absolutely true. And it will change people who read the book. However, what truly makes a giant contribution are the bodies of work where people can clearly say, when I apply these insights, when I do the exercise, when I follow The Two Mary’s coaching, when I do the breathing, I am changed.

J: I really resonate with that. The Gabriel book gives people a more comprehensive understanding of the big picture and some of the key elements in it, but in terms of powering their lives Life Mastery and The Ascension Handbook really are more specifically designed to do that.

M: Indeed, and one of the most amazing things that this channel continues to see in her every day practice, which is quite full, are various people who have heard of her reputation, who have sought her out, who are extremely accomplished spiritual and metaphysical healers, teachers, practitioners, and yet this channel frequently notices in her observations that these are the very people that would benefit from Life Mastery the most because they do not have the emotional fortitude and the self honesty part integrated. Many of them are stuck in certain brain wave lengths. And this takes us full circle to Robert Baker’s stuck brain wave length. Many, many, many spiritual teachers and counselors on your planet today are very, very stuck in a certain brain wave length which is called theta which has some consistently addicted to the higher realms and fail to integrate it into the physical.

J: Which is kind of startling really. When I took a look at the final chapter on energetic exercises in the Gabriel book, I observed there are three pages of material that introduces the exercises. It was so patently clear to me that Gabriel laid it all out, and I guess Robert just wasn’t doing it.

M: Indeed. He was not doing it enough. Because when you look carefully at most enlightened human beings on your planet today, they aren’t doing it enough. That’s the difference. Perhaps a few minutes every day isn’t sufficient. And we assure you that in today’s world it is absolutely insufficient.

J: When I was rereading the Ascension Handbook, especially the last chapter, Managing Discomfort, which is so much about managing energy, I was thinking the Energetic Exercises in the back of the Gabriel book is about releasing all that armoring and the energy you talk about in the Handbook. To me it couples so beautifully with the guidance that you gave in the Handbook.

M: Indeed, and so you will see great opportunities as you go forward and teach and facilitate more and put more things up on to your Internet, you’ll see great opportunities to use all of these bodies of work with other bodies of work.

J: Related my experience at a Catholic Mass the Saturday before, the first mass I can recall attending since I began working with the Marys and before I had read the Anna, Grandmother of Jesus book.

It was almost like it was more than I could stand. If we define sin as off the mark, I felt that the whole mass was a totally false teaching. It was repulsive to me. I couldn’t stand it.

M: Indeed, beloved, you scribed Jesus’ teachings verbatim, painstakingly and perfectly. This channel is having rushes of goose bumps all over her body as we tell you. Of course it was more than uncomfortable because you were there and you know the truth of the teachings. And you witnessed Jesus be with people, be with them, people that the very Catholic Church itself would never admit into their flock. You witnessed the non-judgment. You witnessed the enwholement. You were conscious and integrating the teachings as you scribed them. You walked with Jesus, so it is an abomination for you as a human to witness this much sin in the pretentious name of the Lord.

J: Well, I was thinking blasphemy but abomination is also appropriate. What was so painful for me was that the meaning of this great event as been lost for mankind because the meaning and the purpose of Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection have been so distorted. That is the blasphemy.

M: Indeed, and it is going to be reintegrated. That is the great news. Yes, it is a deep, deep affront to your heart of hearts as a human and to the very lives that you live that this is what you get to witness.

And, of course, it is grist for the mill for your great surrendering to your heart of hearts, is it not?

J: Well, you just said the key thing because my head was spinning forward saying, Wow, I’d like to play a role in getting the truth out, but you just said something more important.

M: Indeed, it is already getting out. It is already being read about. It is already being rediscovered. People are learning very quickly about the light body and the activation of the light body. It is happening, beloved Joel.

J: I guess, more specifically, what I was referring to was, was the truth of what Jesus was truly all about and what the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension really mean.

M: Indeed, and you are getting the word out. You are actively involved in teachings that involve ascension.  

J: This is not arrogance. I think its truth. I think I can state things more clearly than some of the sage’s I’ve read.

M: Indeed, that is not arrogance. Arrogance is about what you don’t know. You are simply stating a fact.

J: Each time we have done a book discussion group or Ascension Workshop I have told everyone how you gave me full permission to suggest new titles for some discourses or to suggest a subtitle for the Handbook. I was a little reticent about suggesting those things, but you encouraged me every single time. What was I afraid of? Maybe I thought you would take offense. You never did. You always encouraged me to express my gifts and talents. What role models you are.

M: Indeed, it is the greatest joy for us to witness all of you expressing your gifts and talents. It is indeed a celebratory thing. Celebrating gifts and talents is not egoic. It is actually about bringing energy to the fact of it. It is important to know that your gifts and talents can only be realized when you use them. So, indeed, we will always be a cheerleader to you and all the students—all that come to this frequency with your gifts and talents and have full, glorious self-expression.

J: I know that Jessie and I feel the same way. We want to create exactly the same climate, not only so they feel safe, but also that their gifts and talents are celebrated and encouraged.

M: Indeed, you have already begun that in the way you conducted your discussion group. You made it very clear that everything was open. Everything was on the table. You did it when you did the Life Mastery Train the Trainer, and you both made it very clear when, in the moment of disruption in your Ascension Workshop weekend, when beloved Phillip got off the path, so to speak, and Winston offered a helpful breath and you both said in unison, yes, thank you. Let’s do that.

So it is quite clear the two of you have the ability to quickly recognize contribution when it is accurate and righteous and to gracefully include it and that is going to be part of what you are known for. That you are known for that graciousness.

That is an aspect, by the way, of we consciousness. Instantly open. Oh, you’re receiving something? Great, let’s hear it. You have an idea, perfect. You’re feeling this? Good, share about that.

J: Thanks for recognizing and reinforcing that because those things make for effective teaching. Any of us who have been involved in learning experiences where that was not the attitude, where we were shut down, our input was not welcome, know how punishing and deflating that experience is. It crushes your self-esteem.

M: Not only does it crush the self-esteem, it creates for most people permanent charges in the brain that actually inhibit freedom.

J: As you’re saying that I remember how many of us were harmed in our schools by that kind of experience, and we spend the rest of our lives trying to shake it.

M: Indeed, so again good news. There is so much to say in the modern educational system. Simultaneously there are some amazing things happening in children’s education. There is a trend towards more and more home schooling—not all of which is involved with religions such as Christianity—which is happening with open minded parents, very connected and very conscious. We have a huge increase in the Montessori methodologies and others such as the Steiner.

So all the while that things are getting worse, there are many, many aspects that actually are getting better. And adults are starting to recognize their own learning style. In the civilized parts of the world adults are becoming aware of things like a learning style or a learning talent so it is causing education to move to a next level. Of course, that is essential to expand intelligence. It’s not that the facilitator is more intelligent than the student. It is that the facilitator knows how to keep things moving.

J: You don’t have to convince me of that. I am so aware of the fact that the facilitator’s job is to facilitate the learning experience for everyone.

M: Indeed, so it is quite exciting to see the numbers of discussion groups in this country alone that are starting to come together in different communities and gatherings and really articulating about what is important in life. The Two Marys referred to a group featured in AARP magazine called, The End of Your Life discussion group. What a fabulous bold and daring group.  And believe us, it will take off like wildfire.

J: My first thought was how the work that we’ve done feeds into the needs of that population.

M: Indeed, for everyone has an end to their life.

J: I’m in the age group where that has moved to front and center of our attention.

M: Indeed, so there is much moving forward, much to be grateful for, much to celebrate, much to acknowledge. We do invite you both to continue to relax, in spite of yourselves, in the knowledge that needs are being met and that the desire that you both have to contribute yourselves in the ways that you do are not only appropriate, they are your destiny. In a very real way, this is it for both of you. So relax. Stay conscious, of course, but relax. Let others help you. Know that you have what it takes and know that it’s easier when you have joined arms with others who want to help.

J: Thank you for saying everything you’ve just said. I know in my heart that is true, but it is so empowering to hear you. You frequently have something in your own voice to say about things so I wonder if you have something to say about Mary Liz, Doug, Omar and I coming together that would be empowering for all of us that I would share.

M: Indeed. If you bring this group to bear, there are several things we would share. Number one, this channel would be very willing to be speaker phoned in at some point and bring the Two Marys in.

Secondly, remember this. As we promised before when you and this channel were in the discussion phase of your book discussion group, we assured you that major healings would come to pass with those in the group, including yourselves. So we wish to remind you of that. That still remains true. And who does not want a little more healing for themselves?

So what we wish to advise is, go forth with everything you have with all of your passion. Ask for help. Ask for what you want and you will see many synchronicities. And of course, as you witnessed with the previous group, it does not have to be a lot of bodies to make for a very powerful series of events.

J: Right, well we don’t know where we’ll be, but we’ll let all that come together as we move forward.

M: Indeed.  There are amazing possibilities that will spring from this group. So we see the benefits, clearly. We want you to invite them to even hear these words or read these words for the benefits for them will be enormous. And that matters.

J: I will definitely share this. I have been reading about the powerful benefits of mantras and chants that Satchidananda wrote in To Know Your Self. What would you say about the value of mantras and chanting for our spiritual growth?

M: Indeed, very good. There is, of course, huge value in mantras and in chanting. They are a little similar and there are some distinctions. When chanting, when in mantra, the repetition of the word creates a place on the mind where the student can start to let go. We will keep this very simple and basic.

In the repetition of the word or words, there is a place, a letting go, and, of course, the entire discussion on mantra and chanting will include the fact that the mind will wander from the mantra and, of course, an aspect of the repetition is that it requires discipline, does it not? So the benefit of mantra is it’s an active form of discipleship. It is an active form of utilizing discipline to train oneself to let go.

The actual words have vibratory rates or frequencies that will create certain neuro- pathways in the brain. That is vastly important, for the activation of the light body starts with the activation in the brain.

The chanting takes it to another level, which includes everything we have just said but also brings the vocalization of the chanting through the throat chakra to bring the high mind in connection with the high heart and it comes out through your songs to God through your chanting.  So it is active discipleship.

Do you see how interesting those two words are together?  Your current culture has none of that active discipleship to promote ordinary activation of the endocrine system, which includes the thyroid gland where the voice box is. So it is all designed for further activation of the light body.

J: You referred to chanting in the list of tools in the Handbook many times. I brought back a CD of chants with Satchidananda chanting. I have been playing it as a presence in my apartment. I just love the resonance it creates. I also have been playing a CD of chants by some Catholic Monks from a monastery in Spain. I feel the soothing energy. Are some of the benefits you described happening to me even if I am not actually chanting and it’s just an energy or a presence in my apartment?

M: Indeed, because the sound carries vibratory rates or frequencies designed for healing, wholeness and enlightenment.

J: Satchidananda says that that sound of the Universe, which is the sound of God, is Om. And reciting Om connects us to the energy of God. That is so beautiful and feels so right.

M: Indeed. It is a good idea for you to do some chanting yourself, beloved Joel.

J: I have the booklet that comes with the CD that includes the words of the chant and I could do it along with the CD.

M: Indeed, this channel will duplicate a CD that she listens to frequently in the car that is helpful for some of the phrases are short and it is very repetitive. It is very, very beautiful music, beautiful voices as well.

J: I think we can bring chanting into the workshops, as part of it, so we can experience some of the benefits we’re talking about.

M: Indeed, this channel will be delighted to assist with that.

J: This was an absolutely, gorgeous, beautiful discussion. I’m feeling very filled up. Anything you want to add?

M: We wish to say that the fullness that what you are both experiencing is a fragment of what is available in your Ascension Process. Cherish that fullness. Feel that fullness. Appreciate that fullness as you do. Know that that is an eternal connection. Be in peace, beloveds.